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Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3770	Posted - 2017.02.25 23:18:58 - [1] - Quote The only people supporting this idea is: one person who doesn't know the mechanics and one liar. SSDD. Btw, im not a ganker. I mine and i fly freighters. Im just not a complete tool when i undock. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3773	Posted - 2017.02.26 01:50:05 - [2] - Quote Thats not a joke. Thats the game. Don't like it? Don't play. Goons even announce this event ahead of time. If you are still getting ganked its your own dumb arse fault and ccp aren't going to protect you from your own stupidity. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3774	Posted - 2017.02.26 02:03:33 - [3] - Quote If you want to make the game better you'd be asking for buffs to ganking. Increases rewards for smart players. Penalises the dumb and lazy. And i mean for haulers and miners when i say that. But no. Just another carebear that doesn't know his arse from his elbow. Wants the game to change so he doesn't have to think. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3776	Posted - 2017.02.26 07:33:23 - [4] - Quote Erich Einstein wrote: Daichi Yamato wrote: If you want to make the game better you'd be asking for buffs to ganking. Increases rewards for smart players. Penalises the dumb and lazy. And i mean for haulers and miners when i say that. But no. Just another carebear that doesn't know his arse from his elbow. Wants the game to change so he doesn't have to think. You must be on a troll fest or something. That or you are just really dumb... Not dumb enough to be ganked in a freighter. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3776	Posted - 2017.02.26 18:00:24 - [5] - Quote Naye Nathaniel wrote: It's so funny as mostly gangers speak in this thread as "Ganking is fine" :) Then check mine. Ganking is fine and im a miner and freighter pilot. In fact ganking needs a buff. I think its funny though, the only people who want ganking to be nerfed are carebears that don't know mechanics or have to lie to try and make a point. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3776	Posted - 2017.02.26 18:13:11 - [6] - Quote Erich Einstein wrote: Daichi Yamato wrote: Erich Einstein wrote: Daichi Yamato wrote: If you want to make the game better you'd be asking for buffs to ganking. Increases rewards for smart players. Penalises the dumb and lazy. And i mean for haulers and miners when i say that. But no. Just another carebear that doesn't know his arse from his elbow. Wants the game to change so he doesn't have to think. You must be on a troll fest or something. That or you are just really dumb... Not dumb enough to be ganked in a freighter. Yeah, just a 3+ bil hull filled with blueprints : https://zkillboard.com/kill/18320221/ Omg. First, not a gank. Its a gatecamp. Second, those weren't bp originals as zkill suggests. Everyone is a copy but the age of the kill mail must be screwing up zkill. It was less than one bil at time of loss. Third, i was a stupid nub. Less than a year old trying to leave null without access to alliance logistics cause i quit too soon. Difference between me and you? When i lost that ship i didn't come whining to the forums that the game should change to let me be stupid. I learned my lesson. I adapted. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3776	Posted - 2017.02.26 18:20:20 - [7] - Quote Freighters are corp level assets like other capitals. They aren't meant to be flown solo. You don't HAVE to use an escort but when you can ignore every ganker at the expense of a frigate with a couple of webs, why wouldn't you? EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3776	Posted - 2017.02.26 18:30:38 - [8] - Quote NightmareX wrote: I know about many players out there who are flying Freighters alone, because they are alone in their own corp. Boo hoo. That's their choice. Its an mmo. It shouldn't pander to solo play. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3776	Posted - 2017.02.26 19:09:01 - [9] - Quote NightmareX wrote: Daichi Yamato wrote: NightmareX wrote: I know about many players out there who are flying Freighters alone, because they are alone in their own corp. Boo hoo. That's their choice. Its an mmo. It shouldn't pander to solo play. Yes, it's their choice of play. But that shouldn't ruin their gamplay without letting them see that the criminals are getting punished harder and harder the more crimes they do against them. Again, there should be a balance here which EVE doesn't have atm. Ruin how? Getting shot IS the game. Are you really suggesting that if players cannot get from A to B in safety that their game is ruined? You think you have the right to get around this game at all, let alone solo? Because if thats really the case, this is not the right game for them. Bringing us back to: Dont like it? Dont play. And how many freighters do you think are ganked? Serious question. 1 in 50? 1 in 100? 1 in 500? EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3776	Posted - 2017.02.26 19:20:58 - [10] - Quote 'RELATIVELY good protected' And there it is. Compared to low, null and WH it is there is plenty of deterrent to ganking. In fact, ganking hardly happens anymore. Not like it used to. Youre wrong if you think its ruining the game. If it was, the more it was nerfed the more players we'd keep right? Instead the more its nerfed the less players we have. Ganking used to be easier and cheaper, and the game grew in subscriptions every year. Players are quitting cause they are bored. Not because of meany gankers. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3779	Posted - 2017.02.26 20:30:33 - [11] - Quote And there THAT is. You don't want outlaws in hi-sec at all. Not gonna happen. Quote: Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec? CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive. If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you. Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back. -CCP Falcon EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3779	Posted - 2017.02.26 20:54:13 - [12] - Quote Erich Einstein wrote: Quote: Red Frog Freight hauls ALOT. They use freighters. Yet they lose very, very few freighters--CORRECTION: they fail very few contracts. If we look at their rate of failure for contracts it is very, very low. This is wrong... I have a RL friend that works for Red Frog using multiple freighters and every single day he is telling me about a new one that goons toons down just outside of jita. lol, even if this wasnt a lie, Its one in thousands that travel everyday. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3779	Posted - 2017.02.26 21:00:59 - [13] - Quote You vastly underestimate how many freighters pass through jita safely. You're talking about hundreds PER freighter ganked. Thats what we've been trying to tell you all this time. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3779	Posted - 2017.02.26 21:12:37 - [14] - Quote Except you dont. You started this thread without knowing the mechanics. You think witnessing a freighter die everyday makes you an expert on ganking. But you're clearly not, and you are willfully ignoring that hundreds, if not thousands, of freighters pass by without so much as a shot being made. You don't know what you're talking about. You lie. You ignore what we are trying to tell you. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3780	Posted - 2017.02.26 21:28:18 - [15] - Quote Yes. Its part of the game. They are getting away with nothing more than playing the game. You have as much reason to complain about players mining in a never ending loop. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3780	Posted - 2017.02.26 21:44:24 - [16] - Quote I agree. Ganking could be buffed. Its far too infrequent. And i say that as a miner and freighter pilot. What sucks is nerfs to ganking happen because carebears just don't like the playstyle and push nerfs despite it promoting crappy, lazy gameplay. And people wonder why the game is failing when all the fun and interactive playstyles of the most populated area of the game are nerfed to hell. Erich Einstein wrote: So you are saying that mining highsec freighters (1-10bil every 15min) in HIGHSEC is good for the game. Its a never-ending loop of free plex that diminishing all the other methods of making isk in the game. Now if this were happening in nullsec, bubbles would shut this down so quick. Yep it absoultey is good for the game. Destruction drives the economy. Ganking is an engaging activity that entire communities (on both sides) have formed around. It is a massive amount of content that is generated from ganking. And players that are shot at are more likely to stick with the game longer than those that aren't. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3780	Posted - 2017.02.26 22:15:44 - [17] - Quote Ive never lost a freighter or a barge. Doesnt mean i dont fly them. I lost a domi in null in 2011! you can see more recent loss mails since then. I keep saying it because it has repeatedly been claimed that the only people against ganking nerfs are gankers. When that bull **** stops, i'll stop. The amount of freighters ganked is depressingly low compared to the amount of freighters that get through unscathed. Why is this bad? glad you asked. The safer space is, the less engaged the player base are. They dont have to earn their rewards, they just press button and get bacon. They dont have to make friends because everything is so easy it can be done solo, there is not enough reward to actually try. (take a look at how many freighters are flying through Uedama on auto pilot...the bare minimum of engagement). These players that dont make friends and dont face threats are more likely quit the game sooner. Allowing more ganking to happen makes hauling and mining less safe. This encorages players to pay attention and think about what they are doing, read PLAY THE GAME. Players who make smart choices and put in effort thrive in dangerous environments because their effort is rewarded. Players faced with adversity reach out to other players for help. They form bonds by sharing a common enemy. This is the kind of play we should be promoting because the players who experience it are the most likely to stick with the game. if its happening outside of burn jita, show me. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3782	Posted - 2017.02.26 22:33:12 - [18] - Quote You're not really making your case that anything is wrong with the infinite loop. Its normal gameplay, much like gate camping, which can also be done on an endless loop. Given the frequency of ganking compared to freighter travel, and add on top of that how little effort it takes to avoid ganking, i am genuinely astonished that people think ganking is a problem and should be further nerfed. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3782	Posted - 2017.02.26 23:29:33 - [19] - Quote A ganker can only make that much money from ganking because the victim provides that much loot. If freighters did not carry as much, or bothered to protect themselves, gankers would make much less isk. Do you understand that? The gankers pay is ENTIRELY dependant on the greed and stupidity of their victims. And you are ommitting that gankers have to share payouts. And AGAIN with the lies. Without any real effort? perhaps for individual gankers. But the collective effort required for ganking freighters is massive. The logistics, the fitting of ships, the scanning, the camping etc etc So much effort in fact that very few groups can pull it off and make good isk. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3782	Posted - 2017.02.26 23:33:20 - [20] - Quote Barely even reading your posts anymore nightmare. Your posts are that baseless they don't deserve attention. You're going in circles and keep coming back to 'Only gankers don't like this idea. wah wah wah'. So i stop reading after a couple of lines. Be less childish then maybe i'll address them. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3783	Posted - 2017.02.26 23:39:13 - [21] - Quote Solo? With how many accounts? And how many ships? Every ship had to be bought, hauled and fitted. And then every (or almost every target) has to be scouted. Its not like he was randomly ganking freighters with a single ship. We're talking hours of work here. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3783	Posted - 2017.02.26 23:48:11 - [22] - Quote NightmareX wrote: But how does removing a criminal for 15 minutes help in this case AT ALL when they are back doing the same thing over and over and over every 15 mins? It's normal bu human nature that the police will whoop your ass harder the more crimes you do. So why shouldn't it be rthe same in EVE? How is it ruining peoples game? No one cares about your real life comparisons. At best they should be taken with a grain of salt. If CONCORD are to behave like real police than they should die when we shoot them and not be omnipotent. They should have a limited amount of ships and take minutes rather than seconds to respond. And travel through gates rather than magically spawn. You can refer to this post when i ignore future 'but real life!' BS posts from you. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3783	Posted - 2017.02.26 23:52:08 - [23] - Quote Erich Einstein wrote: Daichi Yamato wrote: Solo? With how many accounts? And how many ships? Every ship had to be bought, hauled and fitted. And then every (or almost every target) has to be scouted. Its not like he was randomly ganking freighters with a single ship. We're talking hours of work here. Sorry ... you are wrong. Watch some of Kusions gank vids. Can you link one that isnt hyperdunking? (cause thats band) No scout. No tackle. No bumper. No Isboxer. Just ganking a freighter solo. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3784	Posted - 2017.02.27 00:21:25 - [24] - Quote NightmareX wrote: Teckos Pech wrote: Daichi is not a ganker. Nor am I really. I did it as part of Burn Jita events, but outside of that...not really. I'm pretty sure you all here have alt's who does that day in and out and are using the excuse that you don't do it with one character. I'm not flat out stupid if you think i'am that. Nope. And how would i prove it. I can link every char i have and you'd still try to claim that i'm hiding just one more account. So whats the point? Your logic is to say that anyone who doesnt want ganking nerfed MUST be a ganker. And you wonder why we cant take you seriously enough to reply to your posts? We've been very gracious replying to your senseless tripe this far. I honestly don't mind if you can argue your case but i dont think youre even trying. Endless ganking ruins the game - How? Can you show us this somehow? Because apparently less than 1% of players leaving the game claim ship loss to be the reason. The vast majority of players leaving seemingly do so out of boredom/lack of engagement. Real Life - Is a good guide everynow and then. But only when backed up with gameplay, other wide CONCORD shouldnt be omnipotent. So what gameplay benefits will come from preventing endless ganking loops? We've asked you this, but you dont really respond to these points. Still wondering why i want to ignore you? Erich Einstein wrote: Thats the thing... its hard to determine which are legit and which are not... Thats they nature of ganks. A link to a video? A killmail? All the Kusions ganks involve 10+ accounts and 10+ ships just on the kill mail. Let alone the scouting, bumping and logistics behind it all. So yeah, hours of work that few people are pulling off. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3784	Posted - 2017.02.27 00:28:58 - [25] - Quote Ive actually looked at youtube, still looking in fact. No solo ganks. Do you have a link? EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3784	Posted - 2017.02.27 00:34:30 - [26] - Quote NightmareX wrote: Teckos Pech wrote: NightmareX wrote: EDIT: And if you are not a ganker, then why are you so much against treating criminals like actual criminals then? He has an interest in what is good for the overall game, not his own personal agenda. And you think it's good overall for the game to let the players who get suicided over and over and over every 15 mins see that the criminals doesn't get punished harder for continuing the criminal activities where they just freely can do that without any risks for them? They do get punished. They lose their ship every time and gankers have no guarantee that they'll be paid. They lose sec status. Its good for the overall game that they are still allowed to operate in hi-sec yeah. Because ganking is good for the game. MORE ganking would be good for the game for the reasons i put forward a few pages back. You have yet to tell me how the current situation is bad for the game. Unrealistic perhaps, but so are many things in this game. Is there a gameplay reason the current situation is so bad? EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3784	Posted - 2017.02.27 00:35:56 - [27] - Quote Erich Einstein wrote: Yeah, but its not strict enough. You should only be able to fly a pod or shuttle in highsec with a -10.0 status, not a potential gank ships. Lower your security status and you get to fly bigger and bigger ships. Its called being accountable for your criminal activity. They can barely get through with a destroyer...but why is that so bad? EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3785	Posted - 2017.02.27 00:47:46 - [28] - Quote @Nightmare, But i have. Having gankers around and able to attack us frequently keeps us engaged. Keeps us on our toes. Makes me want to seek other players for safety in numbers. Its thrilling. Right now im mostly auto-piloting and its boring. Its more fun when i'm carrying ridiculous amounts of stuff and either ask for help or have to make a meaningful choice. Its an adrenaline rush to go through Uedama with 10bil in a freighter on a weekend. That **** is supposed to gets you shot at...and yet i havent been. Anyways, that danger, that adrenaline rush is addictive. Playing with others creates moments, stories we tell others that makes them want to play this game. Whether they are stories of killing a whale freighter, stories of getting through a gank by the skin of your teeth or stories of preventing a gank with your friends. Ganking is content. Content means subs. Make it happen more. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3785	Posted - 2017.02.27 00:56:15 - [29] - Quote No word of a lie, Mining was more fun when i thought i could get ganked at any moment. So i tanked my barge and used ECM drones. It was FUN when the gankers failed because one got jammed and it put them below the damage threshold to kill me. It was even better when the barges next to me (my competition) got killed because they were too greedy to tank their barges properly. Its now been over a year anyones made an attempt on my barge. @Nightmare Making ganking more difficult and more punishable makes ganking less frequent, which is bad. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3785	Posted - 2017.02.27 01:06:26 - [30] - Quote Ganking doesnt happen anywhere near on the scale it used to. Ganking miners used to be something everyone did, it used to be profitable. Now not so much. Freighter ganking used to be done by quite a few groups, but now there are only two of any significance. You use to be able to perform two ganks on two different grids with one ship by being aligned before concord showed up. Maybe one nerf doesnt have a significant effect on ganking, but its quite evident to me that the multitude of nerfs ganking has suffered has had an affect. -EHP buffs to both miners and freighters -faster responses from concord -Nerfs to ganking tactics like hyperdunking and warping away from concord -Insurance removed -Suspect timers as oppose to old aggression rules -Kill rights becoming public It has most certainly taken its toll, and we've lost players for it. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3785	Posted - 2017.02.27 01:09:27 - [31] - Quote Erich Einstein wrote: We are glad its fun. OP has no intention of trying to end that fun, just fix the system to deal with out of control goon gank fleets. Its precisely what you are trying to end, by making it such a chore to maintain that no one wants to do it. Out of control? what does out of control even look like? Bearing in mind how much you've lied in this thread and everytime i ask you to link what makes you think its so bad you dont. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3785	Posted - 2017.02.27 01:14:06 - [32] - Quote NightmareX wrote: Do you have any evidences to prove that? Remember that back in the days, there was WAAAAAY lesser peoples playing EVE. So you should rather look at the number of gankings / total players in EVE and then see on how the ganking today actually is compared to the old days. Erm, yeah, so less players but more ganking = more ganking per player. Yeah i could quickly prove that my barge has taken more shots in previous years than this last few, and given more time could use zkill to see how many freighters die in this last year compared to previous. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3785	Posted - 2017.02.27 01:22:44 - [33] - Quote Takes time Nightmare EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3786	Posted - 2017.02.27 02:21:21 - [34] - Quote Erich Einstein wrote: Karma Fleet - https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99006785/ - 75+bil in top 7 in last 7 days - + all the non-top 7 ganks. Gimme Da Loot - https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99006785/ - These guys operate with Karma Fleet most of the time in Jita Jason Kusion - https://zkillboard.com/character/95034355/ - Used to operate in Uedama mainly solo but since I started raping all his isk he moved to Jita to stage there. All of these guys have centralized and stage from Jita V - Moon 17 station. Look at the history going back and you will see that their all day everyday ganking brings in xxx billions a week. how is that a problem? If it rakes in billions a week its only because freighter pilots are being dumb enough to put it in their cross hairs? EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3786	Posted - 2017.02.27 02:22:57 - [35] - Quote NightmareX wrote: Yes, they do, because once they start their ganking, they will already have a million ships ready in hangar ready to be used once you have lost one ship. So all you have to do is to wait 15 minutes before you undock your next ship, and that's it. It shouldn't be that easy for criminals. and all those ships have to be bought, hauled and fit. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3786	Posted - 2017.02.27 19:53:43 - [36] - Quote Erich Einstein wrote: Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Daichi Yamato wrote: Erich Einstein wrote: Karma Fleet - https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99006785/ - 75+bil in top 7 in last 7 days - + all the non-top 7 ganks. Gimme Da Loot - https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99006785/ - These guys operate with Karma Fleet most of the time in Jita Jason Kusion - https://zkillboard.com/character/95034355/ - Used to operate in Uedama mainly solo but since I started raping all his isk he moved to Jita to stage there. All of these guys have centralized and stage from Jita V - Moon 17 station. Look at the history going back and you will see that their all day everyday ganking brings in xxx billions a week. how is that a problem? If it rakes in billions a week its only because freighter pilots are being dumb enough to put it in their cross hairs? Who'll give me odds that he's counting the kill value as the amount the gankers get from the kill, and that he's ignoring that the 3 examples he's used have all have a multitude of mutual kills? im not counting anything... links were asked for. I asked for links that showed that freighters could be ganked solo as you claimed. These are not those links. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3786	Posted - 2017.02.27 20:15:55 - [37] - Quote Using over 11 chars to gank is not solo. Nor is it a problem. Or at least no more a problem than multi-boxing mining, incursions etc EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3786	Posted - 2017.02.27 20:36:48 - [38] - Quote Err i didn't say multi boxing is an issue. You implied it. If thats 'wandering off' that's on you. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3787	Posted - 2017.02.28 14:36:16 - [39] - Quote Still don't know the difference between outlaws and criminals... EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3790	Posted - 2017.03.01 00:07:20 - [40] - Quote baltec1 wrote: So how do you explain the fact that ganking is currently at its lowest point in history? That saves me some time lol. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3791	Posted - 2017.03.02 03:07:32 - [41] - Quote Erich Einstein wrote: baltec1 wrote: NightmareX wrote: I know how fast that ship is. I fly a Machariel as a daily basis when i'm in PVP ops and so on. Clearly you don't, there is no way a mach can get up to speed before a freighter can be webbed into warp aside from gross incompetence. Yeah NO, freighter pilots should not be required to run a web alt in highsec to be able to not get ganked. CONTROL the rate of criminal behavior in Highsec by any one person is all that is needed. They arent. The vast majority of freighters get through gank hot spots without a web escort. Some even get through whilst afk. Webbing is just something you can do that will make you pretty much ungankable. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3791	Posted - 2017.03.02 03:10:30 - [42] - Quote More ganking means the game working better for everyone. So buff it. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3792	Posted - 2017.03.03 00:11:16 - [43] - Quote Hiasa Kite wrote: Smart bombs are a thing. Tell me about it. I was in warp when this happened. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3792	Posted - 2017.03.03 00:27:28 - [44] - Quote I sense sarcasm but i got it for free :) EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3792	Posted - 2017.03.03 00:55:23 - [45] - Quote Im one of the people who, if i got an alliance tourny ship, would fly it rather than let it collect dust. And 20au/s on the leopard is too good not to use. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3795	Posted - 2017.03.03 15:12:30 - [46] - Quote Naye look in the mirror. I've been in this thread since the start. Told nightmare and op how ganking is not just good for the economy but also makes us more engaged in the game. Shown how ganking is extremely rare as well as easily avoidable. Shown how the more ganking is nerfed the fewer subs there are im in the game not more. On the otherside of the argument however, nothing. People have said less ganking is better for everyone, but won't say how. Say crime and punishment needs to be more realistic in some ways but not others but wont explain why it would be better gameplay. Say that ganking is easy and has no risk or punishment yet willfully ignore most of what actually happens before, during and after a gank. The otherside of the argument keeps showing that they aren't that familiar with mechanics as they think. They have lied and dodged when asked to back up what they claim. This isn't even just a failure of backing up what you say. Nightmare can't even give us her opinion on why less ganking would be better for the game. Just keeps pretending that their proposal doesn't reduce ganking. And you've been like this in other threads Naye. Lot's to say, but little explanation or backing up. Just circular arguments and opinion posts. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3802	Posted - 2017.03.03 18:03:25 - [47] - Quote They definitely believe ganking doesn't come with enough consequences. But, given that its a game, i want to know why the realism they seek is good for the game. Because obviously not all realism is good or i could shoot and kill concord. And concord couldn't arrive anywhere in hisec within 20 seconds. They believe ganking is easy, lucrative and risk free. But the loot fairy is risk whether you like it or not. The presence of anti-gankers is risk whether you like it or not. Easy, ganking is not. It takes hours of work to conduct. More than most are willing to put into it. And as for lucrative, a gankers payout is entirety dependant on the greed of other players. If you want gankers to earn less, don't carry as much. Simple as. What carries more risk: Ganking or webbing a freighter into warp? What takes more work: Ganking or webbing a freighter into warp? Im just saying, relatively speaking, its a doddle to avoid ganks and hauling involves little to no risk. You cannot make the case that ganking is easy and lacking in risk and at the same time say its too much work to bring a webber. You just can't. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3808	Posted - 2017.03.03 20:29:48 - [48] - Quote I'm open to increasing the response time of concord. Given more time to gank, the gankers will use less bodies. At the same time anti-gankers have more opportunity to prevent a gank. But it's a thing with carebears that they must ruin the game for themselves. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3811	Posted - 2017.03.04 00:14:11 - [49] - Quote Naye Nathaniel wrote: DrysonBennington wrote: The goal is to get Pilots engaging the gankers and providing escorts from a few systems out to hauler pilots. And how you would like to do it? Gank the Gankers are they are not even suspects? I thought ganking was easy and risk free?? EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Daichi Yamato Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass 3816	Posted - 2017.03.04 15:06:07 - [50] - Quote Naye Nathaniel wrote: @Jonah Gravenstein @Daichi Yamato So much trolling; Didn't know that wood have ability to write on a keyboard or they hire someone for them to do it? This is the last time when i'm answering for a bullshit what it's came out of your "called brain"; Case in point. Rather than argue your position you attack others. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

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